US Military Says It Is A Crime To Shoot The Quran, Relieves GI

May 18, 2008

While I think it was probably not a smart thing to do, and perhaps in poor taste, I don’t see how US military commanders can call it a crime. The soldier, a sniper, was punished and reassigned to duty back in the States.

According to Major General Jeffrey Hammond:

“The actions of one soldier were nothing more than criminal behavior,” Hammond said. “I’ve come to this land to protect you, to support you — not to harm you — and the behavior of this soldier was nothing short of wrong and unacceptable.”

(Source: CNN.com)

Another military “official” apparently kissed a Quran and presented it as a gift to some tribal sheiks.

Well, here we have the US military kissing asses and Qurans and punishing soldiers who shoot books? I wonder what would happen if a whole lot of soldiers started shooting Qurans for a free ride home?

And then you have Iraqis crying about it being a crime. It’s a book. Get over it and yourselves.

Here we have an American soldier defending the government of Iraq and America getting punished because he doesn’t like the holy book of terrorism and barbarism–and his own chain of command screwing up his career in a heartbeat to kiss ass. Remember your oath? Enemies, foreign and domestic? There are a lot of those in the chain of command anymore.

Your leadership will sell you out in a heartbeat; happens every time in the military. The good news, if American servicemembers want to come home all they need to do is shoot, burn or piss on a Quaran. Wouldn’t it be funny as hell if a few thousand decided to voice their disgust with the mission in Iraq, the government of Iraq, and our own political leaders by doing a simple thing that in America we have the freedom to do, but in the faux ‘democrazy’ of Iraq you cannot?

Nancy Pelosi has been going about it all wrong. She ought to just stand next to a giant cardboard cutout of John Wayne and suggest that real Americans would shoot or burn or piss on or otherwise desecrate the Quaran. The war would be over in a flash as our welcome was worn out and soldiers were sent stateside by the thousands.

If anyone knows who that sniper was, pass along the word that he’s forever welcome at my fire. You have brothers-in-arms (both current and former) out there that won’t sell you out. We aren’t at all like our Quran-kissing government and certain Quran-kissing officers appointed by it.

I can’t wait for the hate-mail. I’ll have something to read at least. Truthfully, I could care less. Islam is a religion of hate and intolerance and the Quran promotes oppression, barbarity, and everything that stands against the values of Western civilization. Since I’m not in the Army anymore, I think I’ll go buy a copy of the Quran to shoot, burn and piss on in a showing of support and solidarity for the unfortunate sniper who was merely expressing his dissatisfaction with the war.

In fact, I invite all members of Western Civilization to join me in this show of support.

In fact, I think we ought to create a Pro Western Civilization and Freedoms Day, where we celebrate by burning copies of the Quran and posting cartoons of Muhammad online. I nominate July 4 as the perfect day since there will already be lots of bangs and burning going on.

To anyone who might think to complain about my characterization, don’t bother until millions of Muslims condemn terrorism and take to the streets protesting against Hezbollah, Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Al Qaeda and Muqtada Al Sadr. You see, if you take exception with my characterization that the Quran doesn’t advocate violence and oppression, then you must demonstrate it and your willingness to condemn those (and even fight against them) who use it for those purposes. Until the Muslim world does, their silent condoning of it will win them no sympathy from me.

It’s time we call it like it is. Religion is screwing up our world and holding human progress back. All religions. I’m all for spirituality and a belief in the divine…but the moment people organize and declare some moral authority and knowledge of the divine that another cannot access for personal, political and other reasons and begin seeking money, influence and power…that’s where I draw the line at tolerating it.

Maybe while I’m at it I’ll shoot, burn and piss on copies of a Bible and the Torah as well. It is largely the Abrahamic faiths that have screwed up the world for most of the last several millennia after all. I wonder if that sniper is willing to shoot a copy of the Bible?

Now, lest you think I don’t understand the need for being sensitive to the concerns of people in a host nation while on a military mission, you’re quite wrong. What he did was not smart at all.

But a crime? Please. Already I have read on liberal blogs how horrible this whole thing was, yet those same liberals are too happy to condone real crimes that illegal aliens commit in coming to this country and the real crimes they commit after they are here, and the crimes of the unethical business owners who hire them to make an easy dollar, and the crimes of the politicians who seek to give our nation away.

July 4, baby. Send my your Quran videos and photos.

In fact, I think I may do something I have not previously done and open my blog up to blogging by anyone who wants to guest blog on the topic of the conflict between Western civilization and the forces of Islamification, the topic of religious corruption and misuse, or on the topics of freedoms and liberties. In fact, I’m declaring now that the entire month of June and the first week of July, I am now accepting and soliciting posts on those topics should anyone care to jump in on the issues.

I’m not saying I will take any and all submissions and post them, but if it is well written and you ran a spell check, there’s no reason it won’t get posted–unless it is full of hate-mongering and comments that are slurs, racist rantings, etc. Let that be clear: I take exception with ideologies and actions and politics and even with individuals, but not with any race or ethnic group (I’m multi-racial myself after all).

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24 Comments Add your own

  • 1. Yella Ojrak  |  May 18, 2008 at 3:57 am

    Hey…we share the same thoughts about this. But not the burning and pissing and shooting the holy books. I don’t think that’s necessary. That’d be plain stupid

  • 2. gasdocpol  |  May 18, 2008 at 4:05 am

    Errant mind.

    People in other cultures have different values from yours. Things that are important to you are not important to them and vice versa.

    That explains why 19 Arabs gave up their lives just to hurt Americans on 9/11.

    You should read a book on anthropology.

  • 3. Daloo3a  |  May 18, 2008 at 7:11 am

    It’s so wrong. It’s like burning a bible- the quran is the holy word of God in some people’s eyes and yes, I am a converted muslim, but ‘burning and pissing and shooting holy books’ is wrong, in any religion. If you were a religious person, you’d understand, obviously your not so you don’t see the problem……perhaps you need to take it closer to home…..imagine a soldier pissing on your mother?

  • 4. Daloo3a  |  May 18, 2008 at 7:13 am

    and FYI - he’s lucky they didn’t hang him, had it been in Iran , he wouldn’t have been lucky enough to be shipped home.

  • 5. Sean Wilson  |  May 18, 2008 at 8:05 am

    I’ve read plenty of books on anthropology and am well aware of the difference in values that other cultures have. Better yet, I have been to different countries and experienced their cultures and values first-hand.

    I am well aware that personal freedoms and liberties are not as important to Muslims as is oppressing the human spirit in every way imaginable. As you so nicely point out, that’s why 19 Arabs gave up their lives to hurt Americans on 9/11.

    You should read a book on terrorism.

  • 6. Sean Wilson  |  May 18, 2008 at 8:19 am

    Daloo3A - That’s the problem with religion and fanatics. You all think you’re right. There’s nothing wrong with doing anything to a book…it’s just paper and glue and whatever sort of cover it’s bound in.

    As for being religious, you’re right–I am not a religious person. I am, however, very spiritual and believe in the divine. I just don’t believe in some Jewish sky-god, some Arab moon-demon, or any of the retarded old man in the sky crap that people use to justify their hatred of each other.

    I see the problem perfectly. It’s that people like you think pissing on someone’s mother is like pissing on a stupid book.

    Personally, who would want to worship a god who expected his followers to murder and kill and stone just because he didn’t have his way like a spoiled child? Misogynists and scared old men, the uneducated and hypocrites, and of course let’s not forget the fanatics who believe that words give them the right to deprive others of life, liberty, freedom, property, family and everything that matters to a human being.

    How ironic and funny that this soldier was perfectly within acceptable behavior shooting other people because that’s his job…and yet, he gets hung out to dry for shooting a damn book. You people are amazing in your display of twisted morality in defense of religion.

    It’s no wonder the world will never see peace.

  • 7. Michael Mahan  |  May 18, 2008 at 12:40 pm

    It is sickening, absolutely turns my stomach. I hope that stinking general is apologizing for himself because he is not apoligizing for me. That sergeant gets home is the good thing about this. Get the hell out of that country. These genarals are generals all right, general screw-ups. Go join the Iraqi army and kiss a bunch of Qurans. in the meantime get our soldiers out of there. You generals stay.

  • 8. Daloo3a  |  May 18, 2008 at 1:40 pm

    But honestly……how can you comment on religion if your not religious? it’s like a basketball player playing football…….. it just doesn’t go…..
    it’s like me pretending im a doctor when infact im a teacher :S
    I don’t get it…….
    U seem like an educated man, why all the hatred towards muslims?
    Pissing on your mother would give you the same anger and hurt that these people felt when their religious book was shot at!

  • 9. Sean Wilson  |  May 18, 2008 at 2:39 pm

    Michael — couldn’t agree with you more.

    Daloo3a — You’re assuming I know nothing of religion or that I didn’t grow up in a religious home, both of which would be wrong assumptions. I was baptised in the Church of God even. I studied the Bible, went to summer bible camps as a youth, and I have always had a deep interest in theology and religions. My conclusions are based on simple observation of history and human nature and facts which seem to be conveniently ignored by the religiously devout.

    Do I need to have my leg bitten off by a shark to know it is likely to not be either fun or a good thing for me? Do I need to be a carpenter to make a doghouse?

    What you are suggesting makes no sense to me, in all honesty. How is any preacher, priest, Imam, or rabbi any more qualified to speak on the nature of the divine than you or I? Because they said god told them they were? Forgive me if I don’t buy it.

    You know, I don’t hate Muslims at all. I hate terrorism, murder, stonings, barbarity, honor killings, oppressing women, keeping people from a good livelihood and uneducated in order for some feeble minded, greedy, and morally corrupt people to have power over others. I could ask you why all the hatred among Muslims for non-Muslims and Western civilization?

    The answer is simple, religions create division and conflict, and are nothing more than socio-political tools created to control the masses. Religion is merely an organized expression of spiritual beliefs, but ask why anyone needs that organization. If anyone truly was living a ‘godly’ life and communed with the divine, there would be absolutely no place for or need of priests and other intermediaries.

    All of the various Abrahamic faiths all deserve and receive my contempt, not just Islam.

    Now, what makes you think I haven’t spoken with my own god and been told that all other faiths are false and works of evil-doers?

    The worst thing to happen to human civilization was the invention of religion by primitive people to explain things hey could not. If you read my Philosophy page and the post I wrote entitled From Physics To Metaphysics, Quantum Mechanics And The Common Framework Of All Existence I think you will see that I am not anti-god or any such thing.

    You know, when I served in the first Gulf War, I was happy and proud to be fighting alongside and for Muslims as we liberated Kuwait from Iraqi occupation. Do I hate Muslims? Not in the least. But I have no tolerance for their religion and the evil it perpetuates on this Earth, and just as little for any other religion. They all seek to subjugate free will and spread intolerance and hatred.

    I am unapologetic in my denunciation of religion. The consequences of that are between myself and such god(s) or goddess(es) as I believe exist.

  • 10. jason roark  |  May 18, 2008 at 4:03 pm

    I have a copy of the Koran,Quran,etc. English translation with original Arabic writing. Real gem. Especially the part that declares Christians and Jews as enemies. General Jeffrey Hammond is the kind of person that makes me feel better about myself. No matter how much of a screwup I am I can always rest easy in the knowledge I am not a backstabbing, traitorous, person such as he is. Thank you for your time.

  • 11. Kyle  |  May 18, 2008 at 6:47 pm

    That General Hammond fellow is full of crap.
    He’s just saying it’s a “crime” to protect his and America’s ass and make them look innocent.
    I’m sure if he had the chance, he’d probably shoot a Quran, too.
    (By the way, I’m on the side of the sniper. He not only found a way to get famous, but to get out of Iraq and away from a possible death, as well!)

  • 12. Netjet  |  May 19, 2008 at 3:56 pm

    Would JOHN WAYNE kiss a Quran? Not on your life, pardner. He’d pull out his shootin’ iron and plug it so full of holes, the Muslims would think it’s swiss cheese.
    For proof, watch “She Wore a Yellow Ribbon”. When an Indian fires an arrow at the Duke’s feet, he picks it up, snaps it in two, spits on it, and throws it back at the Indian.
    We don’t have military commanders. We have wusses in pink undies who’d rather kiss ass than kick ass.

  • 13. Latch  |  May 20, 2008 at 6:50 am

    They burn my Flag. They burn my Holy Bible. They cut off the heads of my fellow Americans. They drag my dead soldiers through their streets.You know what the worst thing about shooting the Quran was? A total of 14 precious rounds were fired and the soldiers didn’t wait till the Quran was up against a Muslim’s head.

  • 14. gasdocpol  |  May 20, 2008 at 3:27 pm

    Sean

    Whould you say that the intent of terrorism is to create shock and awe?

  • 15. muslim pestilence  |  May 27, 2008 at 4:33 pm

    The day will come, when all unite to wipe out the pestilence that is islam.

    Its too bad, the bad ones ruin it for all of the decent ones:(

  • 16. gasdocpol  |  May 27, 2008 at 6:41 pm

    GREAT IDEA! START A WAR BETWEEN CHRISTIANITY AND ISLAM!

  • 17. muslim pestilence  |  May 29, 2008 at 8:55 am

    gasdocpol

    not just Christians, EVERY religion, EVERY race, EVERY party, EVERY gender, WILL unite,

    were not united now, and the muslims know that.

    but like I said, we WILL be:)

  • 18. ArmySergeant  |  June 2, 2008 at 4:13 am

    It’s amazing the amount of things soldiers will do to show their dissatisfaction with the Iraq War.

    There are a lot of domestic enemies in the chain of command these days, though we may disagree on which precisely those are. I blame those who send us to a war for the “Benefit” of Iraq, but ignore Afghanistan, where the people who hurt us actually came from. Those who think it’s more important to bleed our tax dollars into another country rather than our own. Those who would weaken our military rather than admit a mistake.

    That said, I’d be ecstatic to guest blog on the topic of freedoms and liberties, but you may want to check out my blog first to see what the likely leaning is.

  • 19. Sean Wilson  |  June 2, 2008 at 3:47 pm

    @ gasdocpol — If you’re trying to equate war fought by recognizable armies and forces who take to the battlefield at the behest of their government and thus are the legitimate instruments of said governments or their enemies, that argument is a non-starter.

    The purpose of terrorism is to do what its name describes—create terror through acts of terror, which involve indiscriminate and purposeful targeting of non-combatants using methods designed to create terror and which do not follow the guidelines of the established laws of land warfare to which civilized nations ascribe. Just so you know, I have studied counter-terrorism formally and did so back in the early part of the 90’s and was following terrorist organizations and their activities long before 9/11.

    If you’re seeking to make the case that war is no different from terrorism, you simply can’t do it, given the framework of civilization under which the nations of the world operate. The laws of land warfare are explicit in what can and cannot be done, down to the types of rounds that are or are not allowed, and other such things. Individual violations of said laws by commanders or soldiers or entire units are crimes for which there are punishments. Such violations are incident dependent and do not take away from the legitimacy of a war fought adhering to the laws of land warfare, but affect and require punishment for only those violating said laws of land warfare.

    That is quite different from terrorism and terrorists, whose policy, statements, and actions show no regard for any life, laws or notion of civilized decency.

    Beware of two-edged arguments. If you try to make the argument that conventional militaries carry out de facto terrorism—because if that were the case, then there is absolutely no reason they shouldn’t be able to just kill indiscriminately, leveling mosques, napalming entire cities, using WMDs, or pursuing genocidal mission goals.

    If terrorism’s goal was to create shock and awe, they could simply do amazing stunts or socially unacceptable things but which do not cause harm to others. The purpose of terrorism is to achieve some goal through violence, usually some goal of a politic nature (often political).

    [Note, things politic are not the same as politics. One is the mechanisms by which members of a species interact with other members of their species--these things are politic. Politics—an art, a science, ideas and thoughts which can be learned, related, shared, retrieved, discussed, preserved, passed on and communicated to other members of a species. However, it is more than just communicating the parameters of socially accepted and unaccepted behavior. Politics (with a capital P), is also reflection and study of those accepted mechanisms and action based upon that study and reflection in order to achieve desired results.]

  • 20. Sean Wilson  |  June 2, 2008 at 4:17 pm

    @ ArmySergeant — I will get back to you in a day or two as work related activities have had me busy for the past two weeks and I’m playing catch-up just now. Checked out your blog, political leanings duly noted. That said…

    I personally believe there are may possible and even acceptable varying levels and definitions of what constitutes patriotism. People express it differently, for different reasons and in different ways around the world.

    For my part, I have a major beef with IVAW simply because many of those in it have been critical of the various services, their units—and yet, they partook in all the things they said were done wrong and did not stand up against them at the time they were occurring. I have no tolerance for fair-weather patriots and soldiers of convenience. When I served, I took issue with what I thought were improper orders and directives as you are supposed to–immediately and on the spot.

    More than once I had my ass chewed as a result of doing what I believe a leader is supposed to do–the right thing. Once, I was even sent away from the training range by the CO after having demonstrated in front of the entire company how he was wrong. Other officers and senior NCO’s (including at least one who served in Viet Nam) later told me I had been right and that the CO was mistaken and everyone knew it, but that I had to learn not to buck the system. That precise mentality and failure of other leaders to show any sort of backbone is precisely why we are having to confront such issues with regards to the war in Iraq today.

    I didn’t care about my own rank, career, or position. I cared about whether those I was supposed to fight along side and those I was supposed to lead had confidence in my ability. I did my duty the way I was taught to do it. There is no such thing as an unquestionable order. Sure, you follow orders, that is what you’re supposed to do, but those which are inherently against what you have been taught as a soldier, you have a duty to clarify, question, and even refuse them if you know them to be wrong. In certain cases it may be necessary to relieve those issuing orders which are unlawful, especially during wartime.

    And that’s why I do not put much stock in a lot of IVAW members. Many are every bit as guilty as those they point accusing fingers at for having participated in the very things for which they dislike the war in Iraq. Thus, their own ethics are called into question as it appears their ends are self-serving. To those who refused to participate in specific activities and follow certain orders which resulted in violations of the laws of land warfare or constituted war crimes, they have my support no matter their political ideology or belief systems.

    I will listen to criticism coming from those who served and actually took a stand in those difficult moments. The others? Their word, morals and ethics are every bit as suspect as those they accuse.

    That said, I am indeed open to all sides and views. I do however believe that if you’re going to say something you ought to stand by it. Hence, I blog with my real name and will expect anyone else to do the same. If you aren’t willing to put yourself to the comparably weak hazard of blogging under your own name, perhaps what you have to say is not worth saying in the first place–that is the view I take. Thus, anyone wishing to post must be willing to forego pseudonyms and catchy screen names.

    There are issues of fairness and ethics which require taking a stand, and providing the accused a chance to respond. That means they have every bit as much of a right to know who their accuser is as the accuser has to make an accusation. Thus, I take a somewhat low view of anyone who makes their accusations anonymously, holding them in less esteem than the one who is unafraid and unashamed.

    Thanks for dropping by. And thank you for your service.

  • 21. muslim pestilence  |  June 3, 2008 at 7:36 pm

    “Latch” said it right!!

  • 22. Aisha raped by Muhammed  |  June 27, 2008 at 11:31 am

    God is in your heart not in a fantasy book. Its like shooting a Harry Potter book. Weirdo’s I feel like Im living in caveman times praying to fire )

  • 23. Sean Wilson  |  July 1, 2008 at 5:51 pm

    Indeed, a book is just a book—all the more reason to make a good example of the fact by defiling them in the eyes of those who seem to think otherwise and laughing about it. Sometimes those who are insensitive deserve their own medicine.

    Thanks for dropping by to read and share your thoughts.

  • 24. Aisha raped by Muhammed  |  July 2, 2008 at 1:17 pm

    Ive been living here in Iraq the last three years and Ive lived in Afghanistan, Tajikistan, and Kazakstan. I am completely insensitive. Islam rots the mind and kills inovation and freedoms. I dont think of it as a religion, it is a mental disorder brought on by centries of extereme brainwashing. Just because a culture is old, doesnt mean its right. The Aztecs kind of phased out after the human sacrifice thing, I know its hard to swallow, but some so-called religions are wrong. (period) Freedom of religion doesnt mean freedom to get away with evil.
    Sorry for the multiple posts, this issue really gets under my skin, when people say Islam or the quran has value.

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